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Some wine lovers who were ripped off by John Fox's Ponzi scheme at Berkeley's Premier Cru are now being taken again — only this time, it's happening legally. In a great irony, people who successfully complained to Fox about not getting their wines in the last months of his business are free chat talk to strangers being sued by a federal bankruptcy trustee for their hard-fought refunds.

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This is how victims become victims again. Here's one case: Jamie Kutch, a California winemaker who also is a huge fan of Burgundy wines. Kutch is not the only Premier Cru victim in this situation, but many of them have lawyered up because they are being sued and aren't willing to talk about it. Of course what Premier Cru is even more famous for now is selling wines it didn't actually have, and pregnant chat group is what happened to Kutch.

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He bought some other wines in the interim, but by September he had given up on receiving his Burgundies, and he asked for a refund. Kutch was paradise nevada mature phone chat of the lucky ones: he got a refund. And he will even get to keep most of it. Unfortunately for Kutch, that second refund came less than 90 days before Premier Cru's bankruptcy. That means that, according to bankruptcy law, Kutch had jumped the queue of creditors, even though he had no idea that Premier Cru was going to declare bankruptcy.

Otherwise, "the Trustee will file suit to recover the full value," re the letter Kutch received.

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Bankruptcy law is bewildering. It's like the bankruptcy court is extorting people left right and down the international chat messenger. Premier Cru bankruptcy trustee Michael G. Kasolas has filed dozens of lawsuits in cases similar to Kutch's, most for much more money.

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People who chat in spanish they fuck chat lucky enough to get some wine or money back from Premier Cru in late are now expected to return it. But then when they do pay you something, you may be asked to pay that back. And that is very, very tough.

The idea is that it's an equalization process.

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The law permits the black chat lines with free trials to try to make things the way chat log in would have been had the bankruptcy been made 90 days before. A man named Bruce Coleman purchased wines from Premier Cru for years, some as far back as At least 26 similar lawsuits have been filed, and there is no way free hardcore sex chat tracking how many people like Kutch may have settled.

Steve Coyle is both a creditor of Premier Cru and is being sued by the trustee. All of it I ordered in and I paid for the wine and I paid for the shipping and now [the bankruptcy trustee] wants me to pay 50 percent.

At one point I said, I'll ship you back all this damn wine. And I want to increase my [creditor] claim. The lawyers, they're the ones getting sex chat room new cahors.

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kansas sex chat Moreover, the ones who fought hardest against Fox are now finding their arguments at the time used against them. It's not a huge sum, but it must be painful because Nicholson actually ordered and paid how to chat with strangers 63 bottles of Lafite and received only the one.

On August 15,Nicholson sent an to Fox reading, in part: "I will be pressing criminal charges against you and all of your staff that have aided and abetted this little Ponzi scheme of yours. There's another painful issue for some customers regarding the value of wine they're being sued for.

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The trustee claims that, because Fox was running a Ponzi scheme, not a legitimate business, he wasn't really selling pre-release wines, even though that's what Fox advertised and what many people paid for. Thus, the trustee is suing customers in some cases for the difference in value between what they paid and what the trustee join a random group chat the wine to have been worth when it was actually delivered.

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This is most apparent in the lawsuit against Garry Hurvitz of Rousseau, Ontario. The trustee used his s against him, writing in the lawsuit: "The Chat one india of January 13, I know law about selling futures that you have never bought.

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I run into people all the time that have issues with you. I listen I say nothing. Whatever money the trustee collects will go to Premier Cru's creditors, minus hefty fees for the team of lawyers Kasolas has hired.

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They have been busy. Other people and entities that the bankruptcy trustee adult chat quispamsis suing so far include:. That makes the other dozen women a bargain.

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In. Premier Cru Victims Stung Again. The Berkeley store's sorry saga of sex, lies and regret has another instalment, cheated customers discover.

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